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But why did the candidate say that? President Biden dropped out of the race on July 21, 2024
As of that day, he was no longer running for re-election. By early August, it was clear that Vice President Harris was going to be the Democratic Party's nominee for president.
She ended up losing the nationwide popular vote by a rather narrow margin—by just under 1.5 points. (In the language of President Trump and the shock troops of the Fox News Channel, this is now described as "a landslide.").
Along the way, it seemed entirely possible that Candidate Harris might actually win the election. That brings us to the very strange thing that Candidate Trump did on August 11 of that very year.
Also, it leaves us banging up against the (unexplored) possibility of (clinical) "delusion." We refer to the clinical / medical use of that term, not to colloquial speech.
On August 11 of that year, the person who is now this country's sitting president did something extremely strange. Here's how the insanity went down:
Four days earlier, Candidate Harris had held a rally inside an airport hangar in Detroit. A large crowd had turned out for that rally. Lage crowds had appeared at other Harris-Walz rallies that week.
Reporters had been on the scene to see the large crowd in Detroit. But four days later, Candidate Trump took to Truth Social and advanced this rather strange, rant-adjacent claim:
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrumpHas anyone noticed that Kamala CHEATED at the airport? There was nobody at the plane, and she “A.I.’d” it, and showed a massive “crowd” of so-called followers, BUT THEY DIDN’T EXIST! She was turned in by a maintenance worker at the airport when he noticed the fake crowd picture, but there was nobody there, later confirmed by the reflection of the mirror like finish on the Vice Presidential Plane. She’s a CHEATER. She had NOBODY waiting, and the “crowd” looked like 10,000 people! Same thing is happening with her fake “crowds” at her speeches. This is the way the Democrats win Elections, by CHEATING - And they’re even worse at the Ballot Box. She should be disqualified because the creation of a fake image is ELECTION INTERFERENCE. Anyone who does that will cheat at ANYTHING!
So the former president rather crazily said.
In reality, yes, Virginia! A large crowd actually had turned out for the airport rally in Detroit. But four days later, Candidate Trump, in a pair of Truth Social posts, said the alleged crowd actually DIDN'T EXIST.
(To see the initial post in which this claim was made, you can just click here. The text of that first, brief post said this: Look, we caught her with a fake “crowd.” There was nobody there!)
A large crowd had turned out to see Candidate Harris. Four days later, Candidate Trump was saying that no one had been present—that those people DIDN'T EXIST.
In that second, longer post, he went on and on about this CHEATING—about this ELECETION INTERFERENCE. About the fact that, when Candidate Harris arrived at the airport, she had NOBODY waiting.
About the fact that all those people—all those people that every reporter saw—simply DIDN'T EXIST.
That was an extremely strange claim delivered in the form of a rant. To read the AP's (accurate) report of this peculiar incident, you can just click here.
On August 14, NPR published an appraisal of the peculiar incident. In its report, NPR included Candidate Trump's reaction when he was later asked to explain why he'd made this very strange claim.
Here's how the appraisal started:
Why false claims that a picture of a Kamala Harris rally was AI-generated matter
At a Detroit aircraft hangar last week, the Democratic presidential nominee, Vice President Harris, and her running mate, Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, stepped off Air Force Two and were greeted by thousands of supporters. NPR's Tamara Keith was there to see it.
There were 15,000 people at the rally, according to the Harris campaign. Photos and videos by attendees and media organizations captured the crowd from many angles.
But former President Donald Trump and his supporters have falsely claimed that the crowd seen in a photo of the rally in front of Harris' plane was a product of generative artificial intelligence. On Sunday, Trump made the nonsensical claim that the very real crowd at the event was a fabrication.
"Has anyone noticed that Kamala CHEATED at the airport?" reads one of his posts on Truth Social. "There was nobody at the plane, and she 'A.I.'d' it, and showed a massive 'crowd' of so-called followers, BUT THEY DIDN'T EXIST!"
When a reporter asked him Wednesday [August 14] about why he made the claim given that it was proved false, Trump did not acknowledge that his claim had been untrue. "Well I can't say what was there, who was there," responded Trump in an exchange that was televised by Fox News. "I can tell you about ours—we have the biggest crowds ever in the history of politics."
The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment.
As usual, "the Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment."
In its headline, NPR had described Candidate Trump's peculiar claim as "false." In the body of her report, NPR's Jude Joffe-Block had used the term "nonsensical."
(Later, she'd also written this: "The refusal to accept basic, verifiable facts has some observers concerned about a repeat of 2020 false claims of a stolen election if Trump loses.")
As we noted yesterday, the person who is now President Trump had gone "nonsensical" all over again. Aa Lawrence O'Donnell noted at length on last evening's Last Word, the sitting president of the United States had rather strangely reposted a tweet in which an apparent nutcase had crazily claimed this:
President Biden was executed in 2020. He was then replaced by a clone.
An apparent nutcase had posted that claim—and President Trump reposted it. To see President Trump's unexplained repost of that claim, you can just click here.
Why did President Trump repost that claim—the claim that President Biden was executed and was then replaced by a clone?
We can't tell you that. For us, it recalled the nutty claim from last year—the claim that NO ONE WAS PRESENT at Candidate Harris' rally. Also, it caused us to wonder about the clinical diagnosis known as "Delusional disorder."
Full disclosure! President Trump makes so many bogus claims that it's virtually impossible to keep up. There was also last year's claim—insistently repeated at his debate with Candidate Harris—that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio were eating that town's dogs and cats.
Some of these claims are simply false. By way of contrast, some of these claims may seem to pass over into the realm of the crazy.
Why in the world does our president make them? It seems to us that our nation's press corps has chosen to make virtually no attempt to ask.
Is it possible that President Trump believes his various claims? Over the weekend, we began clicking around in search of a greater understanding of the (clinical) concept of "delusion."
The term is often used colloquially, as a matter of everyday speech. But it's also a diagnostic clinical term, a part of medical science.
Tomorrow, we'll show you some of what we encountered when President Trump's latest crazy semi-claim sent us to the Google machine. Before the week is done, desperate for a larger context, we also hope to find a way to return to this:
Quine–Putnam indispensability argument
The Quine–Putnam indispensability argument is an argument in the philosophy of mathematics for the existence of abstract mathematical objects such as numbers and sets, a position known as mathematical platonism. It was named after the philosophers Willard Van Orman Quine and Hilary Putnam, and is one of the most important arguments in the philosophy of mathematics.
Although elements of the indispensability argument may have originated with thinkers such as Gottlob Frege and Kurt Gödel, Quine's development of the argument was unique for introducing to it a number of his philosophical positions such as naturalism, confirmational holism, and the criterion of ontological commitment. Putnam gave Quine's argument its first detailed formulation in his 1971 book Philosophy of Logic. He later came to disagree with various aspects of Quine's thinking, however, and formulated his own indispensability argument.
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Nominalists, philosophers who reject the existence of abstract objects, have argued against both premises of this argument.
As we noted yesterday, we took courses from each of those professors back in the street-fighting days of the late 1960s.
For whatever it may be worth, the late Professor Quine is generally described as having held "conservative" political views. The late Professor Putnam was about as far "left" as you could get during that era. He was even PLP (Progressive Labor Party) for a couple of years!
Each was a good, decent person. Also, in one of the most important arguments in the philosophy of mathematics, it's said that they argued for the existence of numbers, whatever that could possibly mean.
Other "philosophers," we're also told, reject the existence of such "abstract objects"—but what could an abstract object be? As the later Wittgenstein might have murkily suggested, were certain types of delusion also floating around in this extremely high-level, exalted academic stew?
The woods are lovely, dark and deep. Our rapidly failing society is currently lost within them.
Man [sic] is the rational animal? What ever made us think that?
Tomorrow: Harvard is teaching 2 + 2, the sitting president said
What does it mean to say numbers “really exist”? I guess that means numbers are DISCOVERED rather than INVENTED. One conceivable definition might be that any other intelligent race would come up with the same number system structure — numbers, addition, multiplication, etc.
ReplyDeleteOTOH another intelligent race would not be expected to come up with card games precisely identical to some card game like poker or bridge. Rules for those games are invented.
I like this, david. The idea that numbers, mathematics, etc, would be discovered by any sentient being points to at least a kind of existence apart from the brains of human beings.
DeleteUnfortunately for DiC, he is not a sentient being, just an old man full of hate for others.
DeleteNumbers exist in the same sense as colors. They are observed and named. How we perceived them is an artifact of our biology.
DeleteColor emerges from neural physiology. Are you saying numbers do that too?
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ReplyDeleteIndeed, man is the rational animal, Bob.
The shape-shifting alien Reptiloids controlling the idiot-Democrat party, including the idiot-Democrat media, on the other hand... well, not so much.
“but what could an abstract object be?”
ReplyDeleteSomerby continues to have trouble with this phrase. He mocks the idea that an object can be anything but concrete.
The idea of “1” or “2” is an abstraction from the concrete reality of 1 rock vs 2 rocks or 1 teacup vs 2 teacups. In other words, “1” or “2” can be abstracted from collections of real world objects. And they can be utilized in arithmetic, algebra, calculus, etc, to produce results beyond the simple concept of concrete objects that must be counted. In this context, “1” or “2” are “objects” in the mathematical world that can be symbolically manipulated, and the symbolic manipulation produces results that can be verified in the concrete world. If you don’t want to gather 123 objects 3 times and then count them, you can use the rules of mathematics to manipulate the objects “123” and “3” and the operation “multiply” to produce a result that need not be verified using rocks or teacups.
I guess you're a mathematical platonist.
DeleteThat's your read of 11:10?
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DeleteYes, that's my read. 11:10 believes that numbers have a real existence but not a concrete existence -- like the platonic forms. And, apparently, there is a school of philosophers, called nominalists, who reject the realness of numbers. 11:10 does not tell us why the nominalists do so and why they are wrong.
DeleteNo, DG, I am explaining the concept of an “abstract object” that Somerby has mocked as nonsense for decades. All mathematicians refer to numbers as “abstract objects”; it has nothing to do with mathematical Platonism. The concept is that the symbols “1” and “2” are mathematical objects that are abstractions from the concrete world of everyday objects.
DeleteA “set” is another example of a mathematical object.
Delete"an argument in the philosophy of mathematics for the existence of abstract mathematical objects such as numbers and sets, a position known as mathematical platonism"
Delete"All mathematicians refer to numbers as 'abstract objects'”
With respect, I'm missing the distinction that you're trying to draw. Perhaps you could help me out.
Mathematical Platonism posits that numbers (for example) exist outside our brains and consciousness and can be discovered like physical laws. I’m not talking about a philosophical concept. I’m trying to get you to understand that when a person sees a rock or a tree or a flower, that person abstracts from that the concept of “one” and the number or symbol “one” or “1” therefore does not refer to a plant or a flower or a tree, but the ‘concept’ of “one”, which is an abstraction from any object that it might refer to originally. I make no assertion beyond the standard idea that numerical symbols are abstractions and are called objects in everyday mathematics.
DeleteSomerby is talking about the philosophical dispute, about whether the number "one" has a real existence. If you are talking about whether the number "one" is useful, then nobody, including Somerby, disputes that it is.
DeleteI quoted directly from Somerby in my original comment, DG: “ but what could an abstract object be?”
DeleteI explained it, patiently, for him, and for you. He has written multiple posts where he derides the term “abstract object”. Go back and reread those columns where he is mocking the term “abstract object”, which is a perfectly normal concept in mathematics and is not the concept of cranks, philosophers, and crackpots.
In fact, I'd summarize Somerby's position as so: Philosophers dispute the existence of the number "one." But it's useful, so who cares?
DeleteA linchpin of Somerby’s argument against mathematical Platonism is his mockery of the term “abstract object.” He wants you to think that term is ridiculous.
DeleteWhat I'm saying is that you're missing Somerby's point. He's not denying that the number "one" is an "abstract object" in the sense that we can name it and talk about it. He's using the (in his view) pointless and ridiculous debate about whether a number is "real" to show that philosophers are lost in the weeds instead of stepping up to combat the brazen and ridiculous contentions made by the authoritarians and propagandists who are currently in power.
DeleteI am not missing the point, DG. Besides, the point, as you stated it, is stupid.
DeleteOne final thing: Surely you can see DG that Somerby is attempting to debunk mathematical Platonism by mocking the concept of an abstract object. He isn’t simply saying that philosophers (and mathematicians?) are useless jerks who abdicated some bizarre responsibility that Somerby has assigned to them. I was trying to engage his reasoning re mathematical Platonism, not his overall “point”, which I believe is nonsense.
DeleteAt 2:34 you say you’re not discussing mathematical Platonism, but at 6:44 you say you are. So I’m not following. If all you’re trying to say is Somerby=bad, then logic has little to do with it.
DeleteAnd, BTW, this all started because I said you were a mathematical Platonist, and now you tell us that what you’re defending is mathematical Platonism.
DeleteAnd my point was that if you want to dispute the arguments of nominalists, you should tell us what their arguments are.
DeleteAnd one final point to you: I don’t think Somerby is trying to debunk mathematical Platonism, as you suggest at 6:44. Instead, he thinks the entire debate is a pointless waste of time. It doesn’t matter one way or another, to anybody, whether a number exists as an “abstract object” or not.
DeleteHe has never said that.
DeleteFull disclosure! Right wing nut jobs posting here make so many bogus claims that it's virtually impossible to keep up.
ReplyDeleteDemocratic Party voters are beginning to realize Democratic elites lied to them for years.
ReplyDeleteThere were never "fine people across the aisle" to work with to make this country better.
DeleteNow that we know it was all lies. What are we going to do about it?
About Republicans destroying the full faith and credit of the USA?, about how the richest nation in the world does not have universal healthcare because of the bigoted thug cult?, about actually ending forever wars started by the cult?, about the felon having poopy pants? What exactly are you lying about what others are saying?
DeleteBeen saying this for years. Democrats are wolves in sheep clothing for minority communities.
DeleteBeen saying this for years. Republicans are assholes actively working to destroy minority communities.
Delete1:55,
DeleteBecause they don't suppress their votes?
Bob Somerby stopped asking us to listen to Republican voters, once we reported back that it was all bigotry, and nothing else that motivates them.
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ReplyDelete"There were 15,000 people at the rally, according to the Harris campaign."
This means that there were 15 people there. Probably unrelated passengers, having nothing to do with Harris and what's his name, the tampon gay fellow.
"what's his name, the tampon gay fellow."
DeleteKyle Rittenhouse.
Aren't you a fart smelled reposting the bullshit as a gotcha? Sad.
DeleteObserving this right wing vanity blog wither away, is not unamusing.
ReplyDeleteGet new material.
DeleteGet your own blog, if you want newer material.
DeleteUkraine recently launched one of the most successful attacks on Russia in history, killing no one but destroying billions worth of military equipment.
ReplyDeleteThe world is now much safer.
Russia responded by attacking Ukrainian civilian targets, killing innocent people.
Ukraine=a force for good
Russia=a force for evil
Yeah. And who's behind this new attempt to start a nuclear war? That group of people needs to be placed against the wall right now.
DeleteBecause if I was the boss in the kremlin or in the white house getting briefed that my strategic nuclear airforce is under attack, my finger would be on the big red button immediately. Thank God for Vladimir Putin's restraint.
Thank god for Putin? The fucking dickweed who wants to war with half of Europe? Strange and very sad. Nice to have his war assets handed to the fascist creep.
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DeleteLike I said: thank God for Vladimir Putin's restraint, in this situation. And war-mongers in western Europe and in the US need to be neutralized asap. Or it's the end of all of us.
You are conflating Putin's nonexistent "restraint" with Putin's cowardice and lack of agency.
DeletePutin is a paper tiger, with diminishing power.
Ukraine, along with support from the US and Europe, is exposing Russia/Putin as a fraud trying to bluff their way out of the mess they themselves made.
Ukraine is making the world safer, through its actions.
The one who invaded is the one showing restraint. Strange. And sad.
DeleteI noticed this idiot-Democrat is always sad, for no apparent reason. May I call you "sad-bot", idiot-Democrat?
DeleteMao is dead. Long live Mao. Sad.
Delete12:28 the strategic nuclear bombers that are being used to launch giant glide bombs at civilian Ukrainian targets. Why you on the side of the sick fucks you hoser?
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DeleteAll I can say to you, 3:40, is this: spewing moronic drivel, and whatever pocket change you're getting for it, it won't save you when the shit hits the fan.
3:49 supports genocide of Ukrainians. Russians chasing down civilians with drones on their morning commute is just sport. Best part is Putin has no regard for his own troops, and lets them get slaughtered in meat assaults. Sick culture, Russian. One the felons 2025 boys are trying to recreate here.
Delete"Ukrainians" are Russians with different passports, 10:53; it's exactly the same culture. And if anything, it's your war-mongering death-cult drivel that promotes genocide.
DeleteSo you just said they are two separate countries (passports) and the big one invaded the little one and the little one told the big one to bugger off by decimating the big Army while the big Army kills is a war crime nation targeting civilians and stealing babies. And sick fck Putin, after losing 10,000 tanks and a million troops is prepping to invade a dozen more countries. And you think letting that asshole continue his slaughter is the best way to achieve peace or some bullshit I don't get. By your reasoning the US has different passports than Canada be we share culture so we should invade?
DeleteYes, Soros-bot, when Canada, after a coup in Ottawa, is controlled by China or Iran, "we" will "invade" alright. No doubt about that. And "we" will call this "invasion" "liberation", just like Russians (including most of the "Ukrainian" kind) call their "invasion".
DeleteAll the rest of your bullshit -- the babies, the tanks, etc. -- is, well, pure bullshit. Why don't you pay attention to the facts on the ground: the Russians have a fully volunteer military there, while "Ukrainian" men (those who didn't manage to escape the Kiev-controlled territory) are being hunted on the streets by the conscription agents, with at least half of the conscripts deserting almost immediately. Meanwhile, the civilians who stayed near the frontlines (who, in your sick head, are targeted by Russians) are eagerly waiting to be liberated by the Russians. Otherwise they would've moved out west months ago.
Somerby: I got nothing.
ReplyDeleteEveryone else with two or more brain cells: We know!
Bob accurately points out that Trump never admits an error. That seems silly when the error has been debunked.
ReplyDeleteBut the same is true of Dems. We never saw Biden or Harris or Obama acknowledger an error either.
D & C, you won't acknowledge that trump is sui generis to the degree that what he says so often is so bizarre, so unabashedly dishonest. It is sugar-coating it to characterize what he said about the airport as "error' - it goes far beyond that. There's so much of it that it's overwhelming. The sad thing is that so many people, including you, are ok with it.
DeleteEverything out of Dear Leaders piehole is suspect. From the start, his first inauguration was the largest ever and the overhead pictures showing nope are all lies. I mean, this fucking guy attempted an autogolpe. Fuck this guy. He hates America and all it stands for.
DeleteSpeaking of silly, I give you DiC.
DeleteAs Lawrence O'donnell said last night, the insanity of the current American president is now taken for granted by the media. Nobody evern stirs a muscle when Prince Orange Chickenshit reposts something calling Biden a "souless mindless entity". Only Donald j Chickenshit as US President could do something so shameless and crazy without the entire beltway press corps going apeshit.
DeleteLawrence is giving Trump hell.
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DeleteTrump is shaking in his boots, thinking of Lawrence.
Trump’s vengeance is well known. Lawrence is showing courage in the face of Trump’s retributive nature. Also, Trump’s thin skin means that he is easy to goad into a man-baby reaction. Lawrence knows this.
DeleteLawrence is a martyr. The greatest hero of our times.
DeleteHe’s braver than you, “anonymous”
Delete3:07. By a long stretch.
He sure is. But he's a pathetic coward compared to you, retarded “anonymous” 3:10 .
DeleteIf O'Donnell is a coward, what does that make the Chickenshit team of Trump/Rubio/Musk? Not a single one of them has enough balls to go on his show and let him fearlessly tear into those inhuman bastards.
DeleteI don’t trust anyone. I acknowledge that Trump lies a lot, although many of his so-called lies are actually jokes, metaphors, or obvious hyperbole. But no Trump lie was as important and harmful as the lie that President Biden was fully functional and was running the Presidency. This lie was promoted by every prominent Dem in Washington and by the entire liberal and mainstream media.
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DeleteDavid in Cal,
DeleteCan you explain the difference between Trump's lies, Trump's jokes, Trump's metaphors, and Trump's obvious hyperbole?
Or is this akin to the way you can't tell the difference between Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the fine people on the Right?
Re: Not every Republican voter being a bigot.
DeleteIs that a lie, a joke, a metaphor, or obvious hyperbole?
@4:41 That Biden is dead and replaced by a robot is a joke or a metaphor.
DeleteThat Trump would end the Ukraine war on Day One was hyperbole.
That Trump called Nazis “fine people” is a flat out lie spread by you, Biden, and other Democrats.
It is absolutely true that the "Unite the Right" rally held in Charlottesville shortly after Trump's first election was marked by confrontations between rally marchers and counter-protesters. When asked, Trump insisted there were "good people on both sides."
DeleteWhich attendees of the far-right rally were "good people," David? Trump would have us believe there were many there who didn't care anything about all the right-wing politics being advocated, but who werre there only to defend the historic statues of Confederate generals. Can you point to any evidence he's right about that?
The weekend came to a tragic end with a young man driving his car at high speed through a crowd of counter-protesters killing one young woman and injuring many others. Was he a "good person," David?
Quaker - the lie is that Trump called Nazis fine people. This is the exact opposite of what he actually said. The recording of Trump's words is available on the web a the Snopes link below. You can listen for yourself if you want to.
DeleteYou seem to be arguing that none of the demonstrators were fine people, so Trump was mistaken or lying when he said there were some fine people among them. Two problems with this argument:
1. You can't prove that every single demonstrator was not a fine person. In particular, as Trump said, some demonstrators were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
2. Even if there were no fine people among the demonstrators, it's still a flat-out lie to claim that Trump SAID Nazis are fine people. Snopes has the full data, https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
Many supposed lies cannot be definitely confirmed or debunked, because people who were there have different memories. But, not this lie. You can listen to Trump's statement with you own ears. Still Dems and supposedly unbiased media continued to spread this lie.
Trump never admits an error. Is this your take on what Trump did, David? That's an incredibly dishonest formulation. Trump didn't make an error; he put forth a complete fabrication, i.e. something that he invented out of whole cloth. It wasn't like he misinterpreted some ambiguous data. He just pull shit out of his voluminous ass and kept on pushing it. Just like the bullshit about Obama's birth certificate. Did he ever admit that he never sent anyone to investigate? You tend to dismiss it and equate it to the normal puffery, in which we all engage on our resumes. Any reasonable person can see the difference.
DeleteIt's not an error when you actively lie.
Ilya - What you say about Trump is true, but what I say about Dems is also true. Did you ever hear Kamala or Biden admit that their stories about what Trump called Nazis and the one about Biden's mentality were lies? These two lies go far beyond puffery. I personally don't trust any pol. Sadly I now can't find any media that I can automatically trust either.
DeleteMeaning that Trump said that there were "good people on both sides"? Well, he did say that. Now, you can squint this way or that and say that he maybe didn't mean that Nazis were good people.
DeleteWhat about Biden's "mentality". Presumably, you mean his mental decline? That's not a fact or truth in ANY sense of the word.
Again, you're purposely ignoring that Trump makes things up out of whole cloth. It's not that he even twists facts. He just simply says things that never had any basis in reality. There's a qualitative difference and you know that.
No President has created more righteous chaos than Trump. This is causing pain to rural people who do not yet understand they need to abandon that life and work in a suburban factory. The sooner they come along the better for them. Since we are rightfully getting rid of illegal farm labor, AI robots will do all the hard work. I am sure you see how this is MAGA!!! in action. God bless.
DeleteThe greatest testament to American freedom is it let people erect monuments to military leaders who had to be treasonous by rejecting their West Point vows so they could defend enslaving people. This took real courage, both to commit treason in defense of slavery, and for the people who missed the slavery to erect the statues 70 years after the war. No other country in the world has the strength to erect statues of traitors who wanted to split their country in two. Courage.
DeleteTrump absolutely did say there were "fine people" on both sides. He seems to have hallucinated some rally attendees who were present only because of their appreciation of statuary
DeleteIlya - please go to the Snopes link I provided and find out what Trump actually said.
DeleteQuaker- what’s the names of all the demonstrators? Of course we don’t know. Since we don’t know who they are, we cannot say that there are no fine people among them.
DeleteDon't worry, David.
DeleteIt's a trick question.
There is, obviously, not an iota of difference between Neo-Nazis, a white supremacists, and the fine people on the Right.
It's as plain as the hatred for minorities in you heart.
Smokes joined the RWNM awhile back silly DiC, aka no longer an enemy of the people. Of no use to lefties, smokes lies, musk kills, Trump shits hisself. All the same really. I never read smokes but now that I am in love with trunk I dodo.
DeleteIt seems really dense to try to make an argument that all of the people were Nazis and some of them were not fine people who were against the removing of the statues and renaming of the parks. Non Nazi's respond to these issues all the time, complaining it's part of unnecessary political correctness. Some commenters appear to be mocking the idea these people exist. I think they may need to get out more often. But the core question has always been: did Trump actually call white supremacists "very fine people"? The answer has always been "no".
DeleteBut for the desperate Democratic Party commenters here who are pathetically playing the race card of this late stage in the game, I get you're probably too far gone, just trolls or just plain dumb, but you should listen to this and realize your race baiting tactics are insanely misguided and hurt your cause so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUstgK1opsg
Let's not mince words here about what constitutes a lie and who Trump considered fine people among those who felt comfortable marching alongside placards stating "they will not replace us". DiC and his ilk bear full responsibility for voting in the human garbage that incited an insurrection at the Capitol in which congressmen ran for their lives and 140 police officers were mercilessly injured; the same piece of human garbage that prediictably later pardoned even the worst of them. H. Clinton coined the term " deplorables", not knowing it would ultimately be a euphemism for such as the likes of DiC, who deserve far worse a descriptor for their complete disregard for the rule of law in the service of their ideologies. To be sure, they are a mixed breed, but one sharing a common contempt for those they consider undeserving of basic rights, whether women and children in Gaza or humans in the US to be shipped off to foreign hell holes without due process. This mixed breed lacks the common decency to be given anything but contempt and crawling behind arguments about what constitutes a lie and whataboutisms that have no bearing on reality does nothing but underscore their unAmerican nature. Fuck them and the shit they have bestowed upon us.
DeleteDickhead in Cal says, 1. You can't prove that every single demonstrator was not a fine person. In particular, as Trump said, some demonstrators were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.
DeleteDickhead, Prince Orange Chickenshit said he watched and saw the very fine people on the Nazi / white supremacist side. How did he do that? How did he know which of the torch holders were very fine people? You fucking fascist freak.
Somehow TDH jumps from (1) pointing out crazily absurd things that Trump bestows on us on a constant basis, (2) to his obsession that the media needs to investigate whether Trump is clinically insane, (3) to the "Quine-Putnam indispensability argument." I like TDH, and he has attracted some undetermined number of crackpot critics, but TDH misses the boat on items (2) and (3). (He makes great sense on item (1)). Trump is on a different wavelength that TDH. If you talked to a wide swath of the people on earth, you'd find large percentages hold crazy ideas. Trump got elected president, even though, and to some extent because, he makes all these lunatic claims. He wanted to be president. His strategy worked. If he's clinically insane, wouldn't it be the case all his voters are clinically insane? And jumping to the "Quine-Putnam indispensability argument" is off the wall. It has little or no relevance to the Trump phenomenon. TDH took the wrong philosophy courses at Harvard, as far as gaining insights about politics.
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DeleteLunatic claims? Shrug. He didn't claim that his uncle was eaten by cannibals. Or that he drove 18-wheelers. I didn't hear him pontificating on "the significance of the passage of time".
Wanna see lunatics, look in the mirror.
Regardless of whether one supports TDH or criticizes it, Somerby is a right winger running a right wing blog whose broad sweep is to diminish the power of Dems and strengthen the power of Repubs.
DeleteSomerby, ostensibly, finds the way the current iteration of the GOP leans into boorishness and buffoonery distasteful, but only because it is bad for Repub branding. (At times Somerby seems nearly gleeful to amplify this boorishness, pretending to hold his nose, smirking smugly all the while.)
Somerby is pretty clear about the fact that he supports neoliberalism; he supports an elite hierarchical ruling class, he is cynical towards democracy, and he is squeamish when it comes to racism, sexism, and xenophobia.
Somerby is a right winger.
Regardless of whether one supports or criticizes 1:35, this person is a clueless crank who can't and won't support a single accusation made except in the most hand-wavy of ways.
DeleteI hate this blogs deranged cult commenters. That is why I come here to shitpost. I'm OK with Somerby though. He is valuable.
Delete"deranged cult commenters"
DeleteThat nails it.
I love y'all deranged cult commenters. Every one of you idiot-Democrats.
DeleteOne thing for sure, the Democratic party is definitely not a cult, those fuckers can't agree on anything. Repukes tho, they coalesce around any bullshit and all swear it be da trufes. Mindless little souls. At least Dems can govern without a fucking loyalty to dear leader test before hire. Talk about n unAmerican jaggoffs.
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DeleteThat's a nice idiot-Democrat cult comment, 3:45.
"Democrat fuckers can't agree on anything. Repukes tho, they coalesce around any bullshit"
DeleteFunny. Reality is exactly the opposite.
All we owe, we owe to Her(r) Drumph. Mindless children, follow the Project 2025 road.
DeleteDogface George,
DeleteThe proof there is a Republican voter who isn't a bigot is never going to come.
Get over it, and move on.
4:07,
DeleteWho told you that, the pets which were eaten by Haitian immigrants?
anon 1:02, shrug away, nitwit.
Delete"If he's clinically insane, wouldn't it be the case all his voters are clinically insane?"
DeleteI can't quite follow your logic there, AC.
Funny reality is Johnson says the BBB is deficit neutral when he knows it has two benefits. It will punish poor people, and the deficit will be so extreme it will undermine the full faith and credit of the United States. Putin's minions will have succeeded. Congratulations comrades.
DeleteHow dare you attack Johnson and our President. You know damn well they have the best interests of their constituents. They ain't no damn commies! And who believes some pointy headed fake news number cruncher anyway. Experts are for losers!!!
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ReplyDelete$5 billion more today -- to $180 billion of savings in total!
Great job DOGE; please continue eliminating government waste fraud and abuse! Defund the fuck out of it, please!
Raise your hand, if you were one of the assholes who gave Colin Kaepernick shit for not respecting the National Anthem of a corrupt and wasteful nation, which needed to be made great.
DeleteRaise your hand, if you were one of the Right-wing clowns who gave Colin Kaepernick crap for not respecting the National Anthem of a corrupt and wasteful nation, which needed to be made great.
DeleteHow come government spending has expanded , not shrunk; and nobody has been indicted? I trusted these guys to really have an impact, but they totally suck. Do better DOGE. And that fckr Musk is a total traitor, trashing the Big Beuatiful Bill. Also hear he is shagging Millers wife. Just terrible disrespect for our president and his leadership team. Shame on Musk.
DeleteMusk’s greatness has been trumpeted here in howler comments for months. The universal genius musk thinks Trump’s big beautiful bill is an abomination. What’s a musk/Trump toady to think?
DeleteMusk’s criticism is that the bill doesn’t go far enough— isn’t extreme enough in cutting spending. Musk’s criticism of the bill is an even more severe criticism of the Dems.
Delete"Musk’s criticism of the bill is an even more severe criticism of the Dems."
DeleteOrwellian logic.
Musk criticism of the BBB is so glorious because after killing poor people in shithole countries he knows it is time to kill poor people here so rich people like me and him can get a tax cut. Suck on that poor libtards, the cruelty is the point, haha!!!
ReplyDeleteBig Beautiful Abomination!
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